House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 25 April 1604

Mercurii, 25o Aprilis, 1604

Wyndsor Deanry, &c.

L. 3. B. FOR the Assuring of divers Lands, and Tenements to the Dean and Canons of Windsor, &c. - Thirdly read; and, upon the Question, passed.

Weavers, &c.

B. For the better Ordering of Woollen Weavers and Spinsters, &c. secondly read; and, upon the Question for Commitment, the House divided :

With the Yea, 85.

Noe, 136.

Difference, 51.

The Bill rejected.

Guns and shooting.

L. 2. B. For the due Execution of former Statutes made against shooting in Guns, and for the Preservation of the Game of Pheasants, &c. - Upon a second Reading, committed to the Lord Clynton, Sir John Harpur, Sir Edward Stafford, Mr. Johnson, Sir Robert Wingfield, Mr. Peter Mutton, Sir William Wray, Sir Geo. St. Poll, Sir Thomas Denton, Mr. Hext, Sir Thomas Waller, Sir Henry Beamount, Sir Robert Phelips, Sir Maurice Berkley, Mr. Serjeant Tanfield, Sir Edward Tyrrell, Sir Rob. Knollys, Sir John Boys, Mr. Irby, Sir Robert Nappier, Sir Thomas Bishop, Sir Robert Wroth, Sir Robert Oxenbridge, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir John Mallorie: - To meet on Saturday, in the Middle Temple Hall.

Marriages.

L. 1. B. To restrain all Persons from Marriage, until their former Husbands or Wives be dead.

Manslaughter.

L. 2. B. To take the Benefit of Clergy for some Kind of Manslaughter: - Secondly read, and committed to the Lord Clynton, Sir Rob. Wingfield, Mr. Bond, Mr. Fuller,, Sir Rich. Molineux, Sir Edward Mountague, Sir Francis Barrington, Sir Oliver St. John, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir John Hollice, Sir Wm. Paddy, Sir Thomas Waller, Sir Edw. Lewknor, Sir Wm. Cornwallys, Sir John Scott, Sir Robert Wroth, Mr. Duncombe, Sir Henry Wytherington, Mr. Martin, Sir John Thynne, Sir John Boys, Sir Tho. Challoner, Mr. Hackwill, Sir Robert Nappier, Sir Henry Beamount : - To meet on Saturday, in the Middle Temple Hall.

Puritans.

B. Against Puritans, secondly read ; and committed to the Committee for Matters of Religion ; with those added, who, upon this second Reading, spake to the Bill ; viz. Sir Francis Hastings, Sir Wm. Paddye, Mr. Good, Sir Henry Beamount, Mr. Fuller.

Mr. Good: - Touching the several Degrees of Puritans.

Sir Henry Beamount .- - Touching the King's Definition of a Puritan in his Book.

Sir Francis Hastings : - Puritanism fourfold :

[a] Catharoi Heretica,

Papistica,

Anabaptistica,

Evangelica.

Union with Scotland.

Sir Francis Bacon maketh Report of the Proceeding of the Committee for the Union ; and said, The more we wade, the more we doubt : - Via adversantis tanquam in * spinarum. - Commanded to report the Objections; which he would do with Sincerity, so near as he could.

1 . In rebus novis constituendis, aut urgens necessitas, aut evidens utilitas : - We feel not the One, we see not the other.

2. Amongst worldly Things, nothing more dear unto us than our Name ; exempled by the Care in private. Families.

3. The Name of the King, of the Kingdom, of the People : - Alter One, alter all.

4. Retaining the Name of England, &c. the contracted Name of Brittaine would weave out the other Names in a short Time : - Foreign Parts would forget it. - Angli, tanquam Angeli: - That no more remembered.

5. Deest quinta.

6. Popular Opinions to be regarded : - Kings have ever used to do it.

7. By our Style now, we have Precedency of Scotland, by the Change, we shall drown and lose it.

8. If the King's Race shall fail, the Name of Brittaine not competible. - The Parliament of Scotland cannot work a Cession.

9. Contra coronam nostram Angliae, &c. and many such-like Clauses in Indictments, Writs, &c. - Confusion in our Records, &c.

10. Danger to the Courts of Justice. The King's Bench is, Ubicunque fuerimus in Anglia, &c. By this Change it may be in Scotland.

1 1. A Deluge of Scotts, being animated by this Name : - Ne forte sufficiot vobis et nobis.

1 2. Matter of Usage.- - No Precedent, that ever King did it by Act of Parliament ; but first assumed it, then declared it by Parliament.

13. If a new Name, a new Kingdom ; as, of an Island,

Discovered,

Conquered,

Desolate, depopulate, &c.

Moved at the Committee, but not agreed : -

As the King hath made a Project for the Obtaining of a Name, so we should make a Project for our Security.

Forms to beset down:

Style,

Cautions,

Provisions.

Agreed : - To superinduce Brittaine, or withdraw the other.

Agreed, to know the King's Pleasure.

Passed in Silence : - Commissioners not too many, not too few.

Sir Edw. S. - Too few taketh away Reputation ; too many, Action.

The Report to be made to the same Body.

Conclus. He said he was a Collector of the Offerings and Contributions, and prayed to have his Quietus est.

Added to the Report by another :

The King deriving himself from the Brittish Kings, in his old Remitter by this Name; and so by our Law no Privilege, no Settling of Inheritance, no Act done since, good, &c.

Isle of Manne lost; being recovered, remitted to the old Laws. - No Magna Charta: - No Baron can challenge any thing. -

Nolumus leges, &c. Nolumus nomen Angliae mutare.

Sir Roger Aston: - The King desireth only to take upon him the Name of Britaine and France, with the Islands adjacent : It is not his Meaning to prejudice any of them ; to take away their Name, their Laws, or Liberties.

Mr. Speaker : - The King to set down the Form of his Style in Writing.

Motions: - The Lords to join in Petition for the Style ; in the mean time, not to proceed any further: -

The King to set down his Style for foreign Nations, and his Style at Home : -

Whether in Leagues and Treaties the King mean to style himself so.