House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 25 April 1604 (2nd scribe)

Mercurii, 25 Aprilis, 1604

Wyndsor Deanery.

THE Bill of Wyndsor, &c. - Third Reading, and passed, with the Amendments, being put to the Question.

Wool Trade.

The Bill for the Ordering of Woollen Weavers, and Spinsters, &c. - The second Reading; and the House divided about the Commitment.

With the Yea, 85. With the Noe, 136. - Rejected.

Actions.

The Bill for Restraining of frivolous Actions, and Committees, delivered to Mr. Nath. Bacon.

Trade.

The Bills, and Committees, for Enlargement of Trade, delivered to Mr. James.

Shooting.

The Bill against shooting in Guns, &c. -

Sir Rob. Wingfield, - touching the Abuse in Lincolnshire. -

The Lord Clynton, Sir John Harper, Sir Edw. Stafford, Mr. Johnson, Sir Rob. Wingfield, Mr. Peter Mutton, Sir Wm. Wray, Sir Geo. St. Poole, Sir Tho. Denton, Mr. Hext, Sir Tho. Waller, Sir H. Beamount, Sir Rob. Phillips, Sir Maurice Berkley, Serjeant Tanfield, Sir Edw. Tyrrell, Sir Rob. Knolles, Sir John Boys, Mr. Ersby, Sir Rob. Nappier, Sir Tho. Bishop, Sir Rob. Wroth, Sir Rob. Oxenbridge, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir John Mallorie: - To meet in the Middle Temple Hall, upon Saturday.

Marriages.

The Bill to restrain all Persons from Marriage, until their former Husbands, or Wives, be dead : - The first Reading.

Manslaughter.

The Bill to take away the Benefit of Clergy for some Kind of Manslaughter, - Second Reading, and committed. -

Daggers.

A Bill for taking away of Daggers, put in by Sir Tho. Waller, to be offered to the Committees for this Bill. -

The Lord Clynton, Sir Rob. Wingfield, Mr. Bond, Mr. Fuller, Sir Rich. Mullineux, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Fr. Barrington, Sir Oliver St. John, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Jo. Hollice, Sir Wm. Paddy, Sir Tho. Waller, Sir Edw. Lewknor, Sir Wm. Cornwallys, Sir John Scott, Sir Rob. Wroth, Mr. Duncombe, Sir H. Witherington, Mr. Martin, Sir Jo. Thynne, Sir Jo. Boys, Sir Tho. Challoner, Mr. Hackwell, Sir Rob. Nappier, Sir H. Beamount: - Saturday, the Middle Temple Hall.

Puritans.

The Bill against Puritans, secondly read, and committed. -

Mr. John Good moveth, touching the several Degrees of Puritans.

Sir Fr. Hastings: - Fourfold Puritanism: Catharoi [a] haeretica, papistica, Anabaptistica, evangelica.

Sir Henry Beamount, - touching the King's Definition of a Puritan, in his Book.

Sir Wm. Paddye -

Mr. Fuller -

This Bill to be committed to the Committee for Religion ; and those, that spake, to be added.

Union with Scotland.

Union. -

Sir Francis Bacon : The Doubt of Symonides . - From Six Days to Twelve; from Twelve to double. - The more we wade, the more we doubt. Via adversantis, tanquam in . . spinarum. -

The Objections to be reported. - Sincerity, and Moderation. -

13. Objections :

1. In rebus novis constituendis, aut urgens necessitas, aut evidens utilitas. - We feel not the one, we see not the other.

2. Amongst worldly Things, nothing more dear, than our Name: Exempted, by the Care in private Families.

3. The Name of the King, of the Kingdom, the People. - Alter one, alter all.

4. If we should retain England, the contracted Name would wear out the other Names: Foreign Parts would forget it. - Angli tanquam Angeli: - That is gone.

6. Popular Opinions to be regarded. Kings have used to do it.

7. We have Precedency, by our Stile, now : We shall lose it, by Brittaine?

8. If the King's Race should fail, the Name of Brittaine not compatible. The Parliament of Scotland cannot work a Cession.

9. Contra coronam nostram Angliae; regni nostri Angliae, &c. - Confusion in Records, in Writs.

10. A Danger in Courts of Justice. The Court of the Kings Bench, by this Name, may be in Scotland. - Ubi cunque fuerimus, &c.

11. A Deluge of Scotland, being animated by the Name. - Ne forte sufficiat vobis et nobis.

12. Matter of Usage. By Precedent, no King ever did it by Act of Parliament: First did assume it, then declared it by Parliament.

13. We shall erect a new Kingdom. If a new Name, a new Kingdom; as of an Island discovered; of a conquered Kingdom; of a desolate, depopulate, Kingdom. -

A Jury of Objections, and one to spare: Whether good Men, or true, he knew not. -

Moved, but not agreed. -

As the King hath made a Project for the Obtaining of a Name, we should make a Project for our Security. -

Forms: - Stile, Cautions, Provisions. -

Agreed, to superinduce Brittaine, or withdraw the other. Agreed, to know the King's Pleasure.

Passed in Silence. - Commissioners not too many, not too few. - The Report to be made to the same Body. -

His Suit: A Collector of the Offerings, and Contributions : - To have his Quietus est.

Mr. Fuller : - John of Gaunt. - Isle of Manne lost; recovered, remitted to the old Laws. - Remitter, a Title, peramount to the Name of Brittaine. - No Magna Charta. No Baron can challenge any thing. - Nolumus leges, nolumus nomen.

Sir Roger Aston: - That the King only desireth the Name of Brittaine, and France, and the Islands adjacent. It is not his Meaning to exclude England and Scotland; to take away the Name, their Laws, or Liberties ; only to take upon him the Stile of Brittaine, and France, with the Isles adjacent, to foreign Nations; and not to prejudice . . Kingdom.

Mr. Speaker: - The King to set down the Form of his Stile, in Writing.

Mr. Secretary Herbert: - Kingdoms united, the Reservations good. -

The Lords to join in Petition for the Stile; and, in the mean time, we not to do it.

Sir Edw. Hobby -

Mr. Martin -

Mr. Percyvall: - The King to set down his Stile for foreign Nations, and his Stile at home.

Mr. James, Sir George . . -

Sir John Savill: - Whether, in Leagues and Treaties, the King mean to stile himself so.

The Bill of Dice, and Committees, delivered to Sir Wm. Cornwallys.