House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 30 May 1621

Mercurii, 30o Maii

Debate concerning Adjournment, &c.

SIR Geor. Moore: - 1. To have the House, these Four Days, sit Morning and Afternoon: And to prepare a Bill, to continue.

Sir B. Rudyard:- - That One Example of Justice (intimating the Lord Chancellor) more Good to us and our Posterity, than many Bills. - To be specially careful that our Parting now may be with Contentment to his Majesty, and also to the People. - The Consequence hereof exceeding great, both at home and abroad.

Sir J. Perrott moveth, the Bills of Grace may be presently sent up to the Lords, which are already passed here; with a Message to the Lords, to desire a Conference with the Lords, about Religion at home and abroad, and of the Remedy to prevent the Inconveniences * : Then, for Decay of Trade, Want of Money, &c. and * * represent these to his Majesty.

Sir Ro. Phillippes moveth, 1. For this Time, a Committee, to consider [of a] Declaration of the State of the Kingdom ; and to leave it to [his] Highness' Wisdom, to repair those Things which [are] amiss, in his good Time. - First, by a Message, to acquaint [the] Lords with our Resolutions here, and an Acknowledgment of our great Joyfulness in the good Correspondency between both Houses ; which we will ever retain, and express, whensoever his Majesty shall be pleased to call us again.

Sir Tho. Wentworth: - To apply ourselves to expedite those Bills, and Grievances, which we can ; and to have a Message to the Lords, to expedite the Business there.

Mr. Wrenham moveth, a Message to the Lords, to confer, and resolve, of the best Course for Religion, King, and his Issue, and the Commonwealth.

Mr. Secretary: - That his Majesty offereth to accept and pass such Bills as he shall find good for the Commonwealth ; and relieve such Grievances as shall be tendered unto him.

Dr. Gooch moveth, to refer the helping of the Grievances of the Commonwealth to some other Time.

Mr. Solicitor: - Will not despair, but, if we be not wanting to ourselves, that this will prove the happiest Parliament that ever, both in the Beginning, Proceeding, and ending. - Diseases in, the Commonwealth ; yet not incurable. - Not to refuse to do that we may, though we cannot do what we would. - The Times of Beginning and Ending of Parliaments only in the King's Power, We can deal only by Petition. No doubt, but an Adjournment may be, yet with passing Bills ; If doubt, yet a Bill will help it. - Wisheth, such a Course be taken, as our Preparation for Bill, &c. may not be lost. - A Message to the Lords, for Conference to this Purpose.

Sir Wm. Spencer: - That but One public Bill passed in the Lords House. - Thinketh, nething of Worth can be now finished : - Therefore to adjourn the House till Monday, when we are to part.

Mr. Pymme: - To make the best Use of our Time. - Bills, Judgment, Grievances. - To confer with the Lords

about the Bills. - To move the Lords, that, by an Ordinance of Parliament, those Judgments, or Decrees, which have passed by Corruption, may be reviewed.

Sir Wm. Herberte, as Sir Wm. Spencer.

Mr. Alford: - To go to the Lords, in a Message. - To shew them the State of this Country, and abroad ; and the State of Trade here. - To desire the Lords to join in Petition to the King, that, about Michaelmas next, we may meet again in Parliament.

Mr. Crew, - against this last Part; because the King's Prerogative. - Never so long a Sitting, without a Session; nor Subsidies, without a Pardon. - For the Time of Recess, to rest in his Majesty's Pleasure; and to let the Lords in our Message, know so much. - Rebus sic stantibus, for the Grievances, doubteth they cannot be finished in time: For the Bills; to advise with the Lords, what fit to be done.

Sir Edw. Gyles, accordant.

Sir Ro. Crane: - To petition his Majesty for 14 Days longer : - Cannot * the King; will exceedingly help the Commonwealth, - [To] go to the Lords for a Conference. To set down the State [of] all things, in Writing.

Sir Wm. Strowde: - To go to the Lords, and know, what Bills may be dispatched; and prepare, and present, our Petitions of Grievances.

Serjeant Ashley: To rest in the King's Pleasure. - To present now, neither Bills, nor Grievances ; and proceed on with our Businesses, as before.

Bishop of Landaph.

Sir Ro. Hitcham and Sir Wm. Byrd bring from the Lords a Message ; That they have examined Davenport upon Oath, which they have sent down hither; which they find not answerable to the Information from hence ; yet have found so much against the Bishop of Landaph, as they have directed my Lord of Canterbury to give him an Admonition for it, openly in the Convocation-house. -

Heyron's Judgment.

Four Bills : - 1. An Act for Confirmation of a Judgment given for his Majesty, in a Scire facias, in the Time of this Session of Pafliamest against Henry Heyron, and for Declaration of the Letters Patents thereupon to be void.

Anstrother's &c. Nat.

2. An Act for Naturalization of Sir Wm. Anstrother Knight, Sir Geo. Abercromey Knight, Patrick Abercromy, and Walter Balconquall, Batehelor of Divinity.

Vanlore's Estate.

3. An Act to make good a Conveyance of the Manor of Little Monden, in the County of Hertford, made by P. Vanlore Esquire, Sir Ch. Caesar Knight, and his Lady, to Ed. Woodhall, Gentleman.

Raleigh's Restitution.

4. An Act for the Restitution in Blood of Carew Raleigh, late attainted of High Treason; and for Confirmation of certain Letters Patents, made by his Majesty to the Lord Digby: -

Informers.

That the Lords require a Conference between the Subcommittees, concerning the Bill of Informers, at Three of the Clock this Afternoon.

Lords to sit.

Mr. Alford: - To desire the Lords, by a Message of our own, that they will sit this Afternoon.

Answer to Lords.

Answer by the same Messengers; That the Sub-committee shall meet, as is desired: And Thanks also by them returned to the Lords, for their Respect to this House, in sending down Davenport's, Examination.

Conference - Business before the Recess.

Sir Edw. Cecill: - To advise and confer with the Lords, what the best Course, to the King's Honour, and the Good of the Kingdom, as Things now stand. - So Sir Francis Seymor.

Upon Question, a Message to the Lords, for a free Conference.

Sir Edw. Cecill to go presently with the Message.

Mr. Alford: - To resolve of what the free Conference shall be. - So Sir Edw. Sands.

Resolved, This free Conference, to be demanded, to be concerning the Parliament Businesses before our Recess.

Sir D. Digges: - That the first Part of this Conference may be to see the State of the Bills and Businesses in both Houses.

Mr. Glanvyle:- - That, by the Perusal of the State of the Businesses in both Houses, it will appear whether it will be fit to offer any Bills, or not, at this time.

Master of the Wards: - That the King left it.

Inquisitions.

Mr. Solicitor reporteth the Bill of Grace, for Notice upon Inquisitions, with the Amendments. - Re-committed.

Bankrupts.

Mr. Solicitor reporteth the Bill of Bankrupts, with Two Provisoes; which twice read, - Ingrossetur.

Conference agreed to.

Sir Edw. Cecill reporteth, that the Lords have agreed to a free Conference, as is desired, at Four of the Clock, in the Painted Chamber.

Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker to be here again at Two of the Clock.

Mercurii, 30 Maii. Post meridiem.

Conference concerning the Recess.

Mr. Pymme: - In the now Conference to consider, first, what may be prepared: If not, then what the best Course of Satisfaction to the People, and best for the Honour and Good of King and Kingdom : 3ly, Whether our Recess best to be by Prorogation, or Adjournment: Wherein considerable, whether the Adjournment be to be by Commission, or to be done by ourselves.

Sir Geor. Moore: - Doubteth the Adjournment, being to be for so long a Time, cannot be made by both the Houses.

Conference reported.

Sir D. Digges reporteth from the Conference : 1. A Relation, made by him, of our Grief, for this Prevention of the Fruits of our Endeavours, which was now at hand. - Now desired the Advice of the Lords, for the best Satisfaction of the Country.

Informers.

Mr. Serjeant Ashley reporteth from the Sub-committee for the Bill of Informers, that the Grand Committee had, 1. altered the Title, and to make it, " for Informations upon penal Laws." 2ly, It was moved, that the King's Attorney might be at large, for 50 Causes in a Year; and then fell to 25. This not assented to: The Title was. - They likewise moved, that some Values might be allowed: This likewise not allowed. - Then, to make the Bill a Probationer: Which refused before in the House.

Upon Question, Resolved, To yield to Alteration of the Title. For the other Exceptions, Resolved, Not to yield unto them.

Upon a second Question, Mr. Attorney generally not to be exempted.

Upon a third Question, the Law to be perpetual, and not a Probationer.

Ordered, The Sub-committee may inform the Subcommittee of the Lords in this Business, that the King had opened to us in his Speech -