House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 23 April 1604 (2nd scribe)

Lunae, 23 Aprilis, 1604

Rodney's Estate.

THE Bill for the quiet Establishing and Settling of the Lands and Possessions, late of Sir Geo. Rodney Knight, deceased : - The first Reading.

Exchequer.

Sir Robert Nappier bringeth in the Bill, touching the Process and Pleadings in the Exchequer, from the Committee, without any Amendment: Being put to Question, ordered to be ingrossed.

Sea-coal.

The Bill of Explanation of the Statute, enacted in the 21th Year of King H. VIII. cap. 18. - Sea-coal: - The first Reading.

Purveyors.

Committee for Purveyors, Lunae, 23 Apr. in the Exchequer Chamber.

Letters Patents.

Committee in the Bill for Explanation of the Common Law, in certain Cases of Letters Patents, deferred till Wednesday next, in the Middle Temple Hall.

Actions.

The Bill for restraining frivolous Actions : - Second Reading, and committed to Mr. Crewe, Mr. Moore, Mr. Winch, Sir Rich. Oxenbridge, Serjeant Snig, Serjeant Tanfield, Sir John Scott, Mr. Yelverton, Sir Henry Mountague, Sir Francis Hastings, Mr. Hext, Mr. Hoskins, Mr. Attorney of the Wards, Mr. Nath. Bacon : - Thursday, the Middle Temple Hall.

Outlawries, &c. not to be in Parliament.

A Bill for Disabling of Recusants, Persons attainted of Forgery and Perjury, Outlaws, and Contemners of the Laws, to be of the Parliament.

Alehouses.

The Bills, and Committees, for Alehouses, delivered to Mr. Hext.

Two other Bills first read, of the same Nature, delivered to Mr. Pettus, Burgess for Norwich.

Union with Scotland.

Union. -

Sir Fr. Bacon : - 1. Entry. 2. Substance of the Conference. -

God's Union performed. - The King's Union. -

Continent. - Allegiance, Religion, applauded. -

Four Lords began first. -

The Substance of it. -

" Incorporated," implies a real Union, not yet decided. -

The Name and Stile. - Not say generally, that it is prejudicial: - Some Particularity in Instance. - Quod dubites, ne feceris. - Libera suffragia. - A notable Opportunity to mend our State.

More Silence than was meant, for Want of Warrant, or Want of Warrant [a]. -

Advice. - Free Mandate, and Commission, to debate, but not to conclude of any thing. -

If a Man say more than he ought, it is the Hurt of his Fortune : If he smother that, which he ought to say, it hurts his Conscience.

Mr. Percyvall: - All Gentlemen of Sufficiency, or Learning, to speak their Opinions. - Not to forestall any Man's Opinion, by Threats. -

The Name of our Mother, England, to be kept. Our Desire natural, and honourable. She hath nursed, bred, brought us up, to be Men, able to serve; at home, for

Justice ; abroad, for Victories. The Spanyard hath dispersed our Fame. -

Our Grandmother, Brittayne. -

The King's Desire honourable, and just: Honourable, for the Fame; Just, it is the King's Right. - To reconcile these Two. -

Grandmother, Brittaine; Mother, England; Sister, Scotland. - To join, if but in vestibulo.

King of Brittaine; that is to say, of England, and of Scotland. -

A Mischief that we cannot tell how to write the Year of the Reign. -

In the Union, Two Things. -

An Union in the King, it is true, - If we have an Inundation, or Deluge, we shall use nothing, as our own. -

The last Point. -

The Word, " Incprporation," confound our Capacities : The Word, '' effectually performed:" Both inconvenient, and to be altered. -

Commissioners to be nominated by both the Houses respectively.

Sir Rich. Spencer - Chi ben, ausculta, bien respond. -

Use, Two: Domestical: Foreign. -

Ut novi status novus author haberetur. -

Deliciae humani generis: Desireth no Innovation, but a Repetition of an ancient Name. -

The King cleared. - Shortened, and taken away, by the King's Speech. -

Two Bodies joined, without Confusion of Members. -

Nemo laeditur, nisi a seipso. -

No Privilege abrogated, or altered. -

A Project of the Name.

Statut. 14 E. IV. -

A double Right, not to be lost. -

Yield, with Reservations offered by Mr. Percyvall.

Sir Wm. Paddy. - Ex attritu silicum. -

Question, whether the Matter, or the Name, should precede. -

'Union, natural; full of Safety. The Name to beget Love. Such a Name, as to -

Ut sit forma perennis -

Observation of an Ambassador. -

Sir Rich. Lee desired Access to the Muscovyte. The Queen a Queen but of a petty Island : The Ambassador set down in Writing, " Queen of England, France, and

Ireland, Governess of the narrow Seas, Commandress of the great Ocean. -

Union with Scotland.

A mere Fiction, Brittaine to take the Name of Brutus.

Sir Wm. Morrice -

Mr. Wentworth: - How far an Union already: What the Matter tends unto. -

In the King's Person Two Rights. - Quando duo jura concurrunt in una persona, aque ac in uno. -

Unus dominus, not unum dominium. -

Both Subjects to One King, but not both una terra: Not unum regnum. -

As the Law is One, so the Law-makers One.

Sir Fr. Hastings: - To think the King worthy the greatest Name. - Unity, in Diadem, Name, Government.

Mr. Hackwell: - The Name, without, " viz." or, " that is." - No Petition. - The King's Majesty declare. - " Be it enacted." - It proceedeth of the King's Motion.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - A Consultation, not of War, but of Peace. The Name of Emperor is impossible. No particular Kingdom can make their King an Emperor. The Name of King a sweet Name : Plenitude of Power, which the King can challenge: A Name, which God taketh upon him. -

Beseech his Majesty, that a Proviso, that none, but of our own Nation, may have Offices of the Crown.

We are wise, we are strong, in our Multitude. - Too few taketh away Reputation, too many Action. -

A Parliament to be by Prorogation, and the same Burgesses. The King to be moved in this.

The Manner of Conference.

Sir Fr. Goodwyn: - In the First, the Cause neglected by them, which should have defended it; in the latter, Precipitation. Many barred in respect of the Warrant.- -

The Limitations certain, and not too restrictive.

Sir Edw. Hobby: - To yield an Afternoon's Sitting in this House.

Mr. Secretary Herbert: - That the Lords would be ready, notwithstanding the ....

Sir Roland Litton: - That a Proviso, that our own Nation keep our Bulwarks, &c.

Sir Arthure Atye: - A Conference of the Committee.

Mr. Speaker. -

The Committee for Union, to consider, whether, and how, the Name may be yielded unto: To consider of the Method of their Conference.

After the Question, and Resolution;

Sir Herbert Crofts: - That the Lawyers might consider of the Doubts in Law, in the Change of the Name.

Sir Walter Cope: - That the Heralds might be called.

Mr. Crewe: - To desire, that the Lords will frame a Bill to the Purpose, and send it down.

Mr. Yelverton: - Parliament and a Proclamation: The One a Skin, the other a Wast. - An Honour on the left Side of his Majesty's Scepter, to be called Brittaine. -

The Honour and Nameof England,in Name and Right.

Sir Henry Mountague: - They once had a Name, and a Language. Whatsoever Nations had One Name, and One Language, had One Original. - Alfred the first, that gave the Name of England, 900 Years ago. -

Whether changing, or this Name, as an Addition.

Mr. Fuller: - The King corpus naturale in corpore composito. - The King ...

Serjeant Barker: - To have the Lords Opinion. before we grow to a Resolution.

The Committees to meet this Afternoon, in the Exchequer Chamber, to prepare themselves ready for the Conference.

Mr. Crewe: - Freely to speak, without Limitation, or Restraint; and first to consider of all at the Committee.