House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 21 April 1604 (2nd scribe)

Saturni, 21o Die Aprilis, 1604

Prisoners.

THE Bill for the Relief of Prisoners: - The second Reading: Committed to Sir John Luson, Mr. Hext, Mr. Wyseman, Sir John Boys, Mr. Hadds, Mr. Overberry, Sir Geo. Carewe, Mr. Ryvers: - On Tuesday next, in the Middle Temple Hall.

Alehouses, &c.

The Bill, touching Alehouses, Taverns, Inns, and common Brewers : - The second Reading, and committed - Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Tho. Beamount, Sir Rob. Wroth, Sir Hugh Beeston, Sir Jerome Horsey, Sir John Heigham, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Prowse, Sir H. Hubbard, Mr. Rich. Martin, Mr. Hext, Sir Nich. Saunders, Mr. Ryvers, Sir Fr. Hastings, Mr. Fra. Moore, Mr. Hyde, Mr. Hugh Beeston, Mr. Wyseman, Sir Percyvall Willoughby : - Monday, Chequer Chamber.

Ditto.

The Bill for avoiding the superfluous Number of Alehouses, &c. - The second Reading, and committed to the former Committees.

Outlaws.

Mr. Bromley to draw a Bill of Outlaws, first motioned by Sir Edw. Hobby.

Simpson's Debt.

The Bill to secure Simpson's Debt, and save harmless the Warden of the Fleet, in Sir Tho. Shirley's Case : - The third Reading, and passed, upon the Question.

Apparel.

The Bill, touching Apparel, restraining the excessive Wearing of Cloth of Gold, Cloth of Silver, and gold and siver Lace, and Embroideries : - The third Reading, and passed, upon the Question.

Union with Scotland.

Union. -

Sir Francis Bacon reporteth the King's Pleasure in the Matter of the Union. -

Da, quod jubes; & jube, quod vis. - Cornelius Tacitus, of Augustus Caesar: Augusto profluens, et eloquentia principi apta. - Imitates none: Not to be imitated by any. - Non fastigia, sed vestigia. -

The * Introduction. -

1. Confutation of our Objections.

2. Explanation of himself.

3. 4. Model or Frame of such a Declaration, for his Intention, as was to pass from us. -

Introduction, Three Parts : The Cause of this Access : Notes of our Proceeding: Admonition, with what Mind to come. -

This Matter drawing near to a Conference, he was willing to express it more clearly: Wished, his Heart were of Chrystal, that all might see his Cogitations. -

2. Far from Expectation, that so many Discourses, and Disputes. - Knots in Rushes and Straws. - Common Alehouse Talk - He looked, this should have passed, as his Recognition. -

3. Admonition. -

Deserved Attention for his Place ; for the Matter. -

That it was the greatest, and the least. Question. - As said of St. John Baptist. -

That no Ears of Idols, but Ears with Fruit, as the good Ground. -

Objections soluted ; 1. Matter of Honour. 2. Law. 3. Foresight of Peril. 4. Misplacing Informality in this Matter.

England famous, victorious, glorious: - Great Victories, great Vassalages. -

England conquered : Scotland never conquered. -

Can this Honour be divided ? - I ought to be most tender. -

Won by your Ancestors, under my Ancestors, who, when they were Lions, and not sluggish, they were ever victorious.

If the halfs have been so honoured, shall not the entire be more ? - From Lord Walden to Earl of Suffolk, any Diminution ? - Lord Buckhurst the like. -

When Rivers run together, whether not more honourable, than divided ? - A Sheaf of Arrows. -

More to be King of England, Scotland, France, Ireland, than of West Saxons, East Saxons. -

King of Spaine of many Titles. - King of France; France, &c. redoubled. -

2. Matter of Law. -

Name of Suffolk did alter the Inheritance : Him did despise. -

If there might come a Division. - A ceasing of Lines.

- He was mortal. -

He did assure, that Scotland should make a Cession into the Name of England. -

Informality. -

Not worthy the Name of a Subject, that said, this was not done. -

Honour and Benefit. -

The House built, want Distribution of Chambers. -

Is King of England, Scotland, anciently called Britaine. Is King of Bryttaine; therefore, that he may be so called.

- Foreigners have given, shall not Subjects ? -

Benefit: To extinguish the Seeds of Dissention: A Demonstration of the Union to follow. -

He would give this the Precedency. He desired no otherwise, than may stand with the Law -

Explanation. -

His Desire. - 1. Acknowlege that, which is Union in his Royal Person.

2. With our Assents, take upon him the Name.

3. Advice might be taken, touching certain Commissioners, &c.

His Disclaimer. -

That he meant not to take away the Name of England.

- Preserves ours, takes but his own. - No Purpose to alter Laws, Liberties, Privileges. Difference between a King, and aTyrant. - It was Scandalum Magnatum. - Commerce, Customs, accommodated.

3. No Intention that the Scottish encroach upon the English, to their Prejudice. His Writings our Experience.

- If they have any Good in their Liberties, to draw it hither. - No English debated by Scottish, nor Scottish by English. - Created Barons : - Voice only in the Parliament of Scotland.

4. His Frame or Model. -

Most dangerous to be forgotten : Dictated in Writing, which Sir Fra. Bacon hath * read. - Direction that it should be read. - Not to prejudge the Liberty of our Conference : Not to tie them to this Form. This but a Piece of Chrystal, to deliver him from mistaking.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Vice-chamberlain sent up with Bills; and to signify, that we are resolved of a Conference: The Time, and Place, from their Lordships.

To move for the King's Royal Assent to Sir Tho. Shirleye's Bill.

D. of Lenneux, &c. Nat.

An Act for the Naturalizing of Lodowick Duke of Lenneux, Esme Lord of Obigney, his Brother, and their Children: - The first Reading.

Howme's Nat.

An Act for the Naturalizing of Sir Geo. Howme Knight, Lord Treasurer of Scotland, his Wife and Children: - The first Reading.

Howme's Letters Patents.

An Act for the Confirmation of certain Letters Patents, granted to Sir Geo. Howme Knight, Lord Treasurer of Scotland: - The first Reading.

Simpson's Debt.

The Bill to secure Simpson's Debt, and save harmless the Warden of the Fleet, in Sir Tho. Shirleye's Case, sent up to the Lords.

Apparel.

An Act, touching Apparel, restraining the excessive Wearing of Cloth of Gold, &c.

Extortions.

An Act, touching Extortions, intituled, An Act for the better Execution of Justice [a].

Ecclesiastical Possessions.

An Act against the Diminution of the Possessions of Archb. and Bishopricks, and for avoiding Dilapidations of the same: - The first Reading.

Privilege in Executions.

An Act for the Relief of Plaintiffs in Writs of Execution, where the Defendants in such Writs have been arrested, and set at Liberty by the Parliament : - The second Reading, and committed to Sir Fra. Bacon, Sir Edw. Lewknor, Mr. Wm. Brock, Mr. Crewe, Mr. John Moore, Mr. Hyde, Mr. Hackwell, Mr. Yelverton, Mr. Wyseman, Sir Lawr. Tanfield: - Monday, Middle Temple Hall. The Bill, and Committees, delivered, to Mr. Hackwell, the Author.

Saturni, 21o Die Aprilis, 1604 - post meridiem

Apprentices.

THE Bill concerning the Taking of Apprentices: - The first Reading.

Inmates, &c.

The Bill, concerning new Buildings, converting great Houses into several Tenements, Restraint of Inmates, and Inclosures, in and near unto the Cities of London and Westminster: - The first Reading.

Melcombe Regis Church.

The Bill for the Erecting of a Church in Melcombe Regis, and making the same to be the only Parish Church of the Parish of Radipoll : The first Reading.

Treasurers, &c.

The Bill to compell Treasurers, and Deputy Lieutenants, to account; and for the indifferent Taxation of the Inhabitants of this Realm of England and of Wales, for the King's Majesty's Services, and other Charges : -

The first Reading.

Aliens.

The Bill, that, for the better Safety of the Realm, his Majesty may from time to time take Notice, where Aliens and Strangers are therein inhabiting : - The first Reading.

Debtors.

The Bill to make the Lands, Tenements, and Hereditaments, of every Debtor, liable to his Debts : - The first Reading.

Coppices.&c.

The Bill against the Turning of Coppics or Underwoods into Pasture or Tillage - The first Reading.

Officers of Customs.

The Bill against sundry Abuses, committed by the Officers of his Majesty's Custom-houses within the Realm of England: - First Reading.

Judgments.

The Bill for Registering of Judgments, that may impeach Purchasers or Farmers of Lands: - The first Reading.

Aliens Children.

The Bill to place the Children, born within this Realm, of foreign Parents, in Degree, for the first Birth orDescent only, as Aliens made Denizens, and not otherwise : - The first Reading.

Liberties of the Subject.

The Bill to confirm to the Commons their Freedoms and Liberties : First Reading.

Horse Stealing.

The Bill to prevent and avoid the common Stealing of Horses, &c. - First Reading.

Foreign Wool.

The Bill, restraining the Bringing of foreign Wools in the Realm : - First Reading.

Wood, &c.

The Bill for the Preservation of Wood and Timber : - First Reading.

Wyndsor Deanery.

The Bill for the assuring divers Lands and Tenements to the Dean and Canons of Wyndsor, and of assuring a Lease of the Prebend of Bedwyn, in the County of Wiltes, to Edw. Earl of Hertford: - The second Reading, and committed. - Mr. Serjeant Shirley, Sir Tho. Freak, Mr. Kyrton, Mr. Brock, Mr. Henry Martin, Sir Edw. Hobby, Sir Christofer Parkins, Mr. Tho. Brook, Sir John Boys, Sir Wm. Ayres, Mr. Tutt, Mr. Tollerby, Mr. Marshall, Mr. Wyseman, Mr. Fra. Moore: Bill, and Committees, delivered to him: - Monday, Middle Temple Hall.

False Dice.

The Bill for preventing the Making, Selling and Uttering, of false Dice, and Dice of Advantage : - The second Reading, and committed to Mr. Wyseman, Sir Wm. Cornwallys, Mr. Moore, Mr. Brock, Mr. Umpton, Mr. Leach, Mr. Wymark, Mr. Martin, Mr. Hext : - Wednesday, in the Chequer Court.

Cattle Stealers.

The Bill to take away Clergy from Cattle and Sheep Stealers: - The second Reading, and committed to Mr. Hext, Sir John Harper, Mr. Nich. Hyde, Mr. Thomas Brook, Mr. Bond, Sir Chro. Perkins, Mr. Tutt, Sir Wm. Ayres, Mr. Henry Martin, Mr. Gawyn, Mr. Johnson Mr. Marshall: - Middle Temple Hall, on Wednesday.

Union with Scotland.

These Committees following ought to be placed on Saturday in the Forenoon, immediately after Sir Francis Bacon's Report of his Majesty's Speech, touching the Union : But first his Majesty requiring the Attendance of some selcted Number of the Lower House of Parliament, to Understand his gracious Pleasure, and to hear him explain his own Meaning, touching the Matter of the Union ; the Committees, formerly named on Saturday, the 14th of April, to meet with the Lords for Matter of the same Nature, are appointed this Day to attend, according to his Majesty's said Pleasure: And any Member of the House, being no Committee, hath Liberty to accompany the said Committees.

These Committees were added this Day,being Saturday in the Forenoon; with Commission, together with the former Committees, named for that Purpose, to confer with the Lords, in Manner following; that is to say: Upon their meeting, first to attend the Repetition, or Iteration, of their Lordships Motion : The Reasons of their Motion: The Particularities of their Opinions.

To confer, whether there shall be a Commission, and Commissioners nominated : Whether it be fit to alter the Name, before the Union in Government be treated, and resolved.

To confer, treat, and debate, of these Things, according to the Occasion given ; but not to conclude of any Thing.

And, in the mean time, this Afternoon at One a Clock, these Committees are to meet in the Exchequer Chamber, to consult for the Order of their intended Conference.

These Committees were, for that Conference, added to the former, 21o Apr. ante meridiem : Mr. Albany Stepney, Sir Robert Wingfield, Sir Robert Moore, Sir Edwyn Sandys, Sir Maurice Berkley, Mr. Tho. Crewe, Sir Wm. Slingsby, Sir Rich. Warberton, Sir Rob. Mansfield, Sir John Ferne, Sir Wm. Fleetwood, Sir Tho. Jermyn, Mr. John Lewys, Sir John Jeffreyes, Sir Tho. Smyth, Sir Henry Goodyeare, Sir Tho. Lake, Sir Rob. Cotton, Serjeant Hubbard, Serjeant Tanfield, Sir Tho Edmunds, Sir H. Carewe, Sir Tho. Knevett, Sir H. Constable, Sir Rich. Spencer, Sir Peter Manwood, Sir Dan. Dun, Sir John Bennett, Sir John Trevor, D. Steward, Sir Wm. Herbert, Sir Edw. Tyrrell, Mr. Johnson, Sir John Hungerford, Sir Henry Beamount, Sir Tho. Strickland, Mr. Talbott Bowes, Mr. Sherston, Mr. John Moore, Mr. Dighton, Sir Herbert Crofts, Mr. Pettus, Sir Rich. Hawton.